Measuring Influence – PR Blogs – Part II

UPDATE: I have discovered that I was a bit too quick with the results listed below. In the process where I manually (step 2) removed a cluster of non-blogs (NY Times, CNN, Time, Advertising Age and other large media properties) who are also often mentioned in a PR/Blog context I accidently also removed a handful of very influential blogs including (at least) Shell Holtz, Bulldog Reporter, Hyku and Todd Andrlik. I was simply not careful enough when I cut out the big media (or non-blog) cluster.

I have therefore decided to redo the analysis from scratch, so a new version should be posted in 2 weeks or so.


In my previous post on this topic I promised to measure the influence of blogs discussing “PR” and “blogs” using citation analysis.

The list appears below but first a few comments on how it was done and how to read it.

How it was done:

1. Using a topical crawl of the Internet, blog posts that discussed the topic of “PR” and “Blogs” in the same article were collected along with blog posts that were sufficiently referenced in this context. (Meaning: If you discuss the topic of “PR” and “Blogs” or being discussed in that context, then you are a candidate).

2. Some blogs, that appeared to be very closely related, were consolidated and some blogs/websites were manually removed because they were not deemed relevant to the context.

3. The posts were analysed for references/citations between them. The citations were extracted and turned into a massive system of simultaneous equations that were solved to provide influence.

4. The influence was normalised to a scale between 1 and 100.

(Many more details can be found in the articles referenced in the Part I of this post).

As influence is a relative measure you read the table like this:

Micropersuasion has (roughly) twice the influence of B.L. Ochman when the topic is “PR and Blogs”; or Top Rank Blog has (roughly) half the influence of Constantin Basturea.

The influence is topical so it is only a good measure when the topic is PR and Blogs. If the topic was, say “PR, Blogs and Measurement” the number (and indeed the ranking) could be expected to be different.

A few comments to the list:

Micropersuasion is clearly in a league of its own. No question about that.

However, Edelman have a large network of employees who run good blogs and while I don’t think they have a deliberate strategy of over-referencing each other, no one can blame the network members for being more familiar with the other Edelman blogs and therefore referencing them a bit more than they might otherwise had done.

You may, if you inspect the list, find bloggers whose position you disagree with. You may think this analysis overrates or underrates them.

If you feel a blog is rated higher on this list than you would expect, it is likely because you are assessing their popularity rather than their influence.

A blog you feel is rated to high is often rated higher because it is read (and referenced) by other bloggers who have above average influence. You could say that such “over-influential” blogs “punch above their (popularity) weight”. Blogs like Into PR, The Blog Herald and Marketing Vox are examples of blogs that are somewhat more influential than their popularity should lead everyone to anticipate.


31 July 2007 23:28 • By: Flemming Madsen

KDPaine

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM KDPaine said …

Since I'm one of the ones includedon this list, I'm obviously biased, but I do like the methodology and will be using it in other areas for our clients.
Susan Getgood

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Susan Getgood said …

Curious as to the root of your research...

Keep in mind, I don't worry too much about lists, and my blog Marketing Roadmaps is often left off PR lists due to its name.

But PR, and especially Blogger relations, is a major focus of the blog, and I wonder when I'm not on the list at all.

Just wondering, not at all worried or fussed.
Steve Lubetkin

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Steve Lubetkin said …

OK, since everyone else is piling one, then I will too. Uh, what am I, chopped liver?

Steve Lubetkin, APR, Fellow, PRSA
http://lubetkinsotherblog.blogspot.com
Flemming Madsen

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Flemming Madsen said …

Stuart,

"Public relations" was also used. Not just "PR". One of the two in combination with "blog" would include a post/page for analysis.
Stuart Bruce

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Stuart Bruce said …

Not sure this method works as some of the best PR blogs, will actually talk about blogs and blogging very little, but about public relations and business quite a lot.

The other problem is that you search for PR, instead of public relations. For example I only tend to use PR to help with SEO (and then only when I remember). I personally don't like PR as it can also stand for press relations, where as public relations makes it crystal clear you are talking about a much broader management discipline.

I've cross posted this comment from The Friendly Ghost.
Heather Yaxley

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Heather Yaxley said …

Flemming - this is a very interesting analysis.  Good to see how you are distinguishing between popularity and influence.  

I'm not totally convinced that citations always indicates influence of a blog, although I appreciate the academic rationale for this.

I would be interested in seeing your take on the context of the most cited postings as it seems to me that there are probably certain topics/themes that lead to a large amount of cross-posting.

I look forward to the new updated version - and the debate this methodology will undoubtedly create.
Flemming Madsen

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Flemming Madsen said …

Please see update at top of article.
Kami Huyse

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Kami Huyse said …

I am very surprised that Shel wasn't on the list.  Very interesting as that has to be a major oversight.
Shel Holtz

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Shel Holtz said …

I'm so hurt that I didn't make your list. Ahh, well. I guess I'll have to comfort myself with my relatively high rankings on Todd And's list and the new Edelman ranking.

Shel Holtz
http://blog.holtz.com
Friendly Ghost

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Friendly Ghost said …

Hi Flemming,

So, you did it! Very illuminating, and I've thefriendlyghost.wordpress.com/.../" REL="nofollow">commented on it over at Friendly Ghost.

Regards
FG
Now.Seo

On 2/22/2010 4:02:57 PM Now.Seo said …

Hi Flemming,

I'd like to invite you to do the same influence study for "Web Analytics Blogs" that you've done for Public Relations blogs.

First, no really good study has been done yet (see my blog posts on the issue - www.webmetricsguru.com/.../...influence_using.html, www.webmetricsguru.com/.../...nashs_top_10_we.html, www.webmetricsguru.com/.../...cs_blogs_avinas.html)

Also, I'd like to invite you to join the Web Analytics Association - if you haven't already, and take a look at our new Social Media and Community Committee which I'm the Director of http://www.webanalyticsassociation.org/en/cmt/?16

The Web Analytics Community - which I feel your part of, could use a fresh approach.

Thanks in advance,

Marshall Sponder
Web Analytics Association Board of Director - Social Media Committee
http://www.webanalyticsassociation.org/en/cmt/?16
http://www.WebMetricsGuru.com
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http://www.artnewyorkcity.com/   (Art NYC)
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